Time stamp? Listened again and I’m not hearing that. Starting around 11:20 sounds similar to It’s About That Time, but I don’t think it’s that either.
The - > segue (without a space in between but Discourse spits out → ) is meant to indicate they stared teasing the next song before going into it.
12:10 and on for a bit
Compare to the bass line at 1:35 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zts332Y-nyg
As for the segues, thanks for clarifying the formatting. I used them correctly, at least as I interpret the music. We may differ on meaning slightly.
For me > indicates one song stops and the other immediately starts. - > indicates that one song transitions from one to the other and doesn’t necessarily have to have a tease woven in.
A comma would be used if one song stops and the band pauses, there is dead air or speaking from a band member
This has been pretty widely used setlist standard since long before I was into jam music, and from tGD and Phish days, to moe. and UM. Maybe times have changed
Yeah, still not really hearing that.
With UM who typically does more stop on a dime segues (e.g. think how Wappy usually drops into another song) > has been used to indicate that, whereas → was meant to mean teasing the next song ahead of time. It is different from bands like moe. who do way more smooth segues. Right or wrong, that’s always the way it’s been done on ATU.
Not always the way. But you do you
It took me a decade to get jwelsh to add a search 4 tease to an 08 show. Jimi tease is there
The best old example I could find was Phil’s - > A Love Supreme from 1/30/11, but I concede your point. It seems like Jwelsh was sparing with the extended transition uses in the past.
As the noob, i thought > was when there isn’t any banter and it was a random jam or ambience before the beginning of the song. → is designated for what @Random_Ass said, and best example I can think of is the IC/Synco from 06/05/08. And a comma is when they stop and Bayliss has a shout-out or makes fun of someone.
I didn’t come up with it, it’s just how it’s been done with UM. As someone who was anal retentive about keeping setlists on my phone I just tried to follow how they did it.
Lately, they don’t seem to do many real segues. Most now are just the band petering out or going into some ambient noises before the next song starts, often with Kris counting it off on his sticks. I kinda gave up on trying to provide segue corrections for ATU because they’ve become inconsistent on what gets noted > versus a comma. Like personally I would rather put a comma after that Hiccup because really the “segue” is just ambient noise.
Also just noticed that show has a sort of example of the → between Mantis and Make It Right, since they start teasing it ahead of the transition. Though it still ends up being a stop on a dime drop in.
A comma between Hiccup and Mantis?
Cool. Now I just know not to care how ATU.notates setlists and teases
I think you take UM too seriously for the-bort
For me I just think the band should actually be playing for it to be a segue. If they’re all just standing there while a single note or whatever holds and Kris is counting the next song off, that might as well be a stop IMO.
Probably. Seriously isn’t the word I would use. I love my hobbies more than the casual fan
Umphrey’s and disc golf just happen to top my hobby list
That’s fair. We just disagree, but that’s ok
A good example of the inconsistency is Cemetery Walk. It almost always ends with that noise after the abrupt stop. The noise holds until they start the next song, and sometimes it gets noted as a segue, sometimes not. Personally I would go with the latter.
Yea, I haven’t looked too closely at every setlist. I just look at the ones I listen to a lot, usually something I have been to.
Thanks for doing the grunt work on the back end, @Random_Ass
3/21/24
Conduit@ > Red Tape$
@ Snucka tease from Jake at 4:57
$ Third Stone from the Sun jam at 12:10 (Jake)
Do what you want with this information
Same as it ever was
La Grange and some Irish jig tease between 40s and Kitchen
4/10 Orfeo Joel solo
4/11 Miss You teases in 40s
Possible 25 or 6 to 4 teases in NN
Possible Mitten jam in Mail Package
Billie Jean teases in Escape Goat
The primary song page on ATU (allthings.umphreys.com/song) is listing a total of 10 songs for me. Anyone else seeing the same?
just checked and getting teh same
I say yes for sure
