I think he may be saying actively obsessed with current UM shows
Pretty much. I still love a lot of old UM. I am pretty much saying that people who still consider UM to be the pinnacle of jamband music and actively tour with them on a somewhat regular basis dont really have much room to talk about what is/isnt cringe or soft bullshit
Edit: That said, like what you like. Even if it sucks
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Oh goodness no, I wouldn’t even do this if I could afford to leave the family for extended periods.
I love UMs in 2024. I can’t stand these eleven11 group bands (except Bisco). It’s like some idiots in boulder got together and were like “we’re gonna saturate the market with shit tier cookie cutter bullshit” it’s so fucking lame. Fuck Franco. Fuck DIAP. Fuck pigeons. Fuck eleven11 group.
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It’s rough for people just now or in the last few years becoming obsessed with UM. I can get falling hard into them if you hadn’t listened to them before, but damn they’re so far past their prime those people will never see them even close to their full powers as a live band.
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Modern UM can be meh but imagine liking that fucking clown band that does Disney covers.
I’ll hate on PPPP until my last breath.
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who is eleven11 and why isnt their name 22?
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I still need to see an indoor/stand-alone show. I was pretty naive about what to expect going and seeing them at a festival. At my age, one regret I have is, if I was doing copious amounts of drugs in my 20’s and 30’s, I wish I would’ve bit the bullet and seen more drug band shows instead of doing clubs and raves instead.
Yea Pigeons are godawful from everything I’ve ever heard of them. UM still seems fairly tight with the compositions and I would say runs like a very professional live operation at least. It’s just the creativity and depth of jamming that have taken a hit in recent years. Songwriting has also been straying further and further away from their strengths for like 10-15 years now
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To be totally fair, all of these bands are past their prime with the exception of Billy Strings and I guess you could say these smaller bands who will probably never have a prime
Biscuits are good again, but holy shit did people fluff a lot of insanely bad Biscuits shows for years
I love Phish, but we all are well aware of how shitty a lot of 3.0 has been and how far past 1997 they are
Luckily they both still hit enough and I still enjoy their songs enough that its more fun for me, but I get why people who like UM songs would still love seeing them more than other bands
The only difference is when I go see those other two, I can still go in knowing there is a chance I will get a heater of a show/run, or at the very least, one huge jam
You cant say that with UM and there is no possible way to go in with lower expectations
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I wouldn’t say I like Pigeons, but Id prob rather see them than UM at this point. I’d probably have more fun. Shitty Disney covers and Scrambled Greg faces included.
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When i think about how far um has fallen, I always think about how my brother actually ended up coming to shows. Hes the antithesis of a typical um fan. Not musically inclined at all, farthest thing from a nerd, was/is an incredible athlete etc etc… I brought him to his first show in 08 and he loved it so much that he ended up seeing 10-15 shows bw then and probably 2012. I’ll never forget walking out of an Indy show with him in like 2010 (pretty sure it was the lightning show) and he just looked at me and said “man, these dudes seriously just never put on a bad show”
I greatly miss those days and highs walking out of a show
Edit: fucking hell 2010 was almost fifteen years ago. This post is like a sighful old man in 1990 reminiscing on his glory days in the mid 70s
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I’m genuinely sorry to hear that.
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At the WerkOut we normally camped in the center towards the vendors so we could see the stage and hear the music perfectly from our spot. Obviously we didn’t walk down to the stage but we didn’t need to to hear them play that Lion King song. That year somebody in our crew brought his lady friend around and she had a recent “Hakuna Matata” tattoo. She was showing it off in the morning the night after PPPP played. As she was in the middle of explaining the deeper meaning of her tattoo, my buddy pipes up through a mouthful of pretzels "no shit, so last night was a big fucken deal for you, huh?
It was at that moment when I knew I’d never take PPPP serious. It didn’t help that they played again that night and from our camp we heard them play almost an identical set to the night before.
My sister was also really stoked when she heard about PPPP. She mentioned that B.F. Skinner was one of her favorite behaviorists. She’s a BCBA so it’s not that weird but I told her it gives off major
vibes
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We arent jaded. The band just used to be really fucking good
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This got me good.
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Same. That’s some shit id do not even trying to be an ass or anything.
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This is me … very late to the scene and the band, and just trying to catch up and catch as many of their shows as I can. I recognize that they’re not what they were - I’ve been making it a point to listen to their older stuff to get an idea of what I missed, albeit not as thoroughly as @SchladopianFir and others. Even if they don’t often reach the high bar they set for themselves, they’re still easily my favorite band at this point … I think there’s something to be said for being a noob - all the bangers that everyone here has been talking about for years are brand new to me and the shine hasn’t worn off - I’ve got 20 years of new-to-me music to listen to. Anyways, better late than never.
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yeah I almost mentioned that I can’t explain why it was so funny, but it was fucken hilarious.
And just to be clear, my sister did see PPPP once in Missoula. She was not a fan. She was excited that somebody named a band after Skinner’s pigeons experiment.
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Exactly. Everything is kinda fresh to me.
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