It’s the Zappa model. A lot of his stuff was live rhythm tracks with re-recorded vocals/melodic instruments
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Seeing that the track list on Spotify for pre-saving has each song broken into chunks. If that’s the only way they release this, I’m gonna be really upset. Would much rather have the ability to add like all of wide open into a playlist rather than 1 of 3 sections. Even den is two tracks
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That’s how you make that big streaming money, though.
Agreed. I wish it were possible to link tracks in a randomized playlist.
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Is it actually? Is this making an appreciable difference?
I’m guessing breaking songs into parts would at least double the money? But is it actually “big” money?
lol no, not big money, but they’ll make like 3x more money with this track listing compared to tracking as single songs. But $0.0000003 compared to $0.0000001 is certainly not big money (I just made those numbers up).
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Ew I hate that
According to Joel:
FWIW, I don’t understand what he’s saying - but it’s kind of telling that it seems the band was kinda nervous about the approach as well. Sounds like KB antics to me.
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Most indexes within songs have been speculation/land grabs, and the vast majority will not be seamless. But the underlying technology is here to stay. Call them by whatever name but they’ll be ubiquitous in 3-5 years. You might be asking, ubiquitous for what? You name it. Concert tracking, the title to your house, memberships to anything, your mortgage etc. An index within a song is simply a verifiable digital asset. In an increasingly blended world of IRL & online, proof of ownership in a secure, verifiable way will be paramount. The ability to engage & reward using blockchain will be a game changer.
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Huh. So basically you’re saying it’s an NFT? Does Spotify have NFT support? Espcially if it’s just the song on the streamer? I’m not saying you’re generally wrong, but I feel pretty good about saying that in this case, it’s not an NFT.
My guess is that it’s more like chapter support on a podcast or on YouTube.
It’s a copypasta. I shouldn’t have replied directly to you, but I am le tired at lunch and wasn’t paying attention.
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Oh thank god. I thought I was dealing with a true believer.
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Think they mentioned in the initial announcement of breaking the songs up into smaller tracks for people who don’t wanna listen to 10+ minute songs. Maybe I’m mistaken or naive for believing it.
Find it hard to believe they’d break up the songs to increase streaming revenue.
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I understand not wanting to scare people off. These are proggy songs, it takes time for the song to develop. Breaking it into the legos is interesting, but it takes away from the point, they lego the stews together to make the Raw Stewage song.
Almost seems counterintuitive to break em up again, alas, that’s just like, my opinion, man
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I’m personally in the camp of don’t really care. I’m not defending the choice, just recounting what I think I read.
Like others mentioned it’ll suck to not have the “whole” song play if shuffling. Other than that I can’t come up with any objections.
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Tons of bands do this and i don’t blame them for it. I imagine that factored in UM’s decision making process.
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Just looked into it after reading your post. Yeah that’s dumb, but at least I’ll be able to listen to the only good part of concessions easily.
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I’ll take your word for it. I don’t have the most in depth understanding of stream payouts so I assumed this approach wouldn’t move the needle considering whatever 1/1000 of a dollar they are paid per stream across their 200k Spotify listeners.
I doubt it was a financial move. I can see them wanting to highlight a neat part of their creative process for fans that might not know how they put together songs like this.
I think the failure is that almost everyone who will listen to this will already know how they put together these songs and that they’re likely not bringing a ton new people on board (read: umphrey’s is declining).
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If you break a track into 3 parts you are going to make 300% more per listen of the full track.
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