All Things Jazz

Thanks, funk. I almost always dig your recs. :clinking_glasses:

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Happy 50th Bday to Bitches Brew.

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my fav Miles album

Kind of Blue is mine, hell it might be my favorite album ever. Definitely in my top 3. I have to be in the right mood for Bitches Brew, but itā€™s up there as far as most influential albums ever. It was a true game changer for jazz and rock music.

This is some good shit! Reminds me a little of Groove Collective or some of the Roy Hargrove RH Factor stuff.

My dad played us kids jazz from an early age, and this is one of the big ones I heard often growing up. What an exceptional album.

This just made my day.

Maybe someone around here can help me: Iā€™ve been trying to get into jazz with some success, but Iā€™d be curious to find something thatā€™s at the same time tightly structured with lots of key and signature changes and as improvisational as possible. Basically, the jazz equivalent to the improg that Umphreyā€™s is doing. Whatā€™s something that could fit well into that niche?

Check out The Weather Report, John McLaughlin but mostly his band Mahavishnu Orchestra

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Thanks! Any specific albums or concerts? I listened to McLaughlin play with Paco De Lucia and it was some of the most touching stuff Iā€™ve ever heard but I never knew where to start with Mahavishnu.

Their first two albums ā€œBirds of Fireā€ and ā€œThe Mounting Flameā€ should be a good start

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I would scroll up and check out one of the videos of Hiromi Uehara I posted, or listen to her album Move. Iā€™m not sure if itā€™s exactly what you mean, but her stuff is both technical and also very moving with plenty of improvisation within the ā€œsoloā€ sections. One of the biggest reasons I like her Sonicbloom band is because, as best as I can put it, they jam like Phish in many ways. I donā€™t mean they go all type 2 lol, and I know that this is generally the goal of much jazz improvisation, but if youā€™re a jamband listener/have a decent ear you can really hear the band all lock in to repeating figures and textures or accent specific things underneath each other during those sections in a way that sounds very ā€œjamband-ishā€. Her current trio project does this as well although itā€™s one less person and less overt.

Not related to anything specific, this is downright stupid. The amount of ferocious playing in this video is enough to fill a small country.

Obligatory Metheny rant about Kenny G:

Kenny G is not a musician I really had much of an opinion about at all until recently. There was not much about the way he played that interested me one way or the other either live or on records.

I first heard him a number of years ago playing as a sideman with Jeff Lorber when they opened a concert for my band. My impression was that he was someone who had spent a fair amount of time listening to the more pop oriented sax players of that time, like Grover Washington or David Sanborn, but was not really an advanced player, even in that style. He had major rhythmic problems and his harmonic and melodic vocabulary was extremely limited, mostly to pentatonic based and blues-lick derived patterns, and he basically exhibited only a rudimentary understanding of how to function as a professional soloist in an ensemble - Lorber was basically playing him off the bandstand in terms of actual music.

But he did show a knack for connecting to the basest impulses of the large crowd by deploying his two or three most effective licks (holding long notes and playing fast runs - never mind that there were lots of harmonic clams in them) at the key moments to elicit a powerful crowd reaction (over and over again). The other main thing I noticed was that he also, as he does to this day, played horribly out of tune - consistently sharp.

Of course, I am aware of what he has played since, the success it has had, and the controversy that has surrounded him among musicians and serious listeners. This controversy seems to be largely fueled by the fact that he sells an enormous amount of records while not being anywhere near a really great player in relation to the standards that have been set on his instrument over the past sixty or seventy years. And honestly, there is no small amount of envy involved from musicians who see one of their fellow players doing so well financially, especially when so many of them who are far superior as improvisors and musicians in general have trouble just making a living. There must be hundreds, if not thousands of sax players around the world who are simply better improvising musicians than Kenny G on his chosen instruments. It would really surprise me if even he disagreed with that statement.

Having said that, it has gotten me to thinking lately why so many jazz musicians (myself included, given the right ā€œbaitā€ of a question, as I will explain later) and audiences have gone so far as to say that what he is playing is not even jazz at all. Stepping back for a minute, if we examine the way he plays, especially if one can remove the actual improvising from the often mundane background environment that it is delivered in, we see that his saxophone style is in fact clearly in the tradition of the kind of playing that most reasonably objective listeners WOULD normally quantify as being jazz. Itā€™s just that as jazz or even as music in a general sense, with these standards in mind, it is simply not up to the level of playing that we historically associate with professional improvising musicians. So, lately I have been advocating that we go ahead and just include it under the word jazz - since pretty much of the rest of the world OUTSIDE of the jazz community does anyway - and let the chips fall where they may.

And after all, why he should be judged by any other standard, why he should be exempt from that that all other serious musicians on his instrument are judged by if they attempt to use their abilities in an improvisational context playing with a rhythm section as he does? He SHOULD be compared to John Coltrane or Wayne Shorter, for instance, on his abilities (or lack thereof) to play the soprano saxophone and his success (or lack thereof) at finding a way to deploy that instrument in an ensemble in order to accurately gauge his abilities and put them in the context of his instrumentā€™s legacy and potential.

As a composer of even eighth note based music, he SHOULD be compared to Herbie Hancock, Horace Silver or even Grover Washington. Suffice it to say, on all above counts, at this point in his development, he wouldnā€™t fare well.

But, like I said at the top, this relatively benign view was all ā€œuntil recentlyā€.

Not long ago, Kenny G put out a recording where he overdubbed himself on top of a 30+ year old Louis Armstrong record, the track ā€œWhat a Wonderful Worldā€. With this single move, Kenny G became one of the few people on earth I can say that I really canā€™t use at all - as a man, for his incredible arrogance to even consider such a thing, and as a musician, for presuming to share the stage with the single most important figure in our music.

This type of musical necrophilia - the technique of overdubbing on the preexisting tracks of already dead performers - was weird when Natalie Cole did it with her dad on ā€œUnforgettableā€ a few years ago, but it was her dad. When Tony Bennett did it with Billie Holiday it was bizarre, but we are talking about two of the greatest singers of the 20th century who were on roughly the same level of artistic accomplishment. When Larry Coryell presumed to overdub himself on top of a Wes Montgomery track, I lost a lot of the respect that I ever had for him - and I have to seriously question the fact that I did have respect for someone who could turn out to have such unbelievably bad taste and be that disrespectful to one of my personal heroes.

But when Kenny G decided that it was appropriate for him to defile the music of the man who is probably the greatest jazz musician that has ever lived by spewing his lame-ass, jive, pseudo bluesy, out-of-tune, noodling, wimped out, fucked up playing all over one of the great Louisā€™s tracks (even one of his lesser ones), he did something that I would not have imagined possible. He, in one move, through his unbelievably pretentious and calloused musical decision to embark on this most cynical of musical paths, shit all over the graves of all the musicians past and present who have risked their lives by going out there on the road for years and years developing their own music inspired by the standards of grace that Louis Armstrong brought to every single note he played over an amazing lifetime as a musician. By disrespecting Louis, his legacy and by default, everyone who has ever tried to do something positive with improvised music and what it can be, Kenny G has created a new low point in modern culture - something that we all should be totally embarrassed about - and afraid of. We ignore this, ā€œlet it slideā€, at our own peril.

His callous disregard for the larger issues of what this crass gesture implies is exacerbated by the fact that the only reason he possibly have for doing something this inherently wrong (on both human and musical terms) was for the record sales and the money it would bring.

Since that record came out - in protest, as insignificant as it may be, I encourage everyone to boycott Kenny G recordings, concerts and anything he is associated with. If asked about Kenny G, I will diss him and his music with the same passion that is in evidence in this little essay.

Normally, I feel that musicians all have a hard enough time, regardless of their level, just trying to play good and donā€™t really benefit from public criticism, particularly from their fellow players. but, this is different.

There ARE some things that are sacred - and amongst any musician that has ever attempted to address jazz at even the most basic of levels, Louis Armstrong and his music is hallowed ground. To ignore this trespass is to agree that NOTHING any musician has attempted to do with their life in music has any intrinsic value - and I refuse to do that. (I am also amazed that there HASNā€™T already been an outcry against this among music critics - where ARE they on this!!!, magazines, etc.). Everything I said here is exactly the same as what I would say to Gorelick if I ever saw him in person. and if I ever DO see him anywhere, at any function - he WILL get a piece of my mind and (maybe a guitar wrapped around his head.)

NOTE: this post is partially in response to the comments that people have made regarding a short video interview excerpt with me that was posted on the internet taken from a tv show for young people (kind of like MTV)in poland where i was asked to address 8 to 11 year old kids on terms that they could understand about jazz. while enthusiastically describing the virtues of this great area of music, i was encouraging the kids to find and listen to some of the greats in the music and not to get confused by the sometimes overwhelming volume of music that falls under the jazz umbrella. i went on to say that i think that for instance, kenny g plays the dumbest music on the planet ā€“ something that all 8 to 11 year kids on the planet already intrinsically know, as anyone who has ever spent any time around kids that age could confirm - so it gave us some common ground for the rest of the discussion. (ADDENDUM: the only thing wrong with the statement that i made was that i did not include the rest of the known universe.) the fact that this clip was released so far out of the context that it was delivered in is a drag, but it is now done. (its unauthorized release out of context like that is symptomatic of the new electronically interconnected culture that we now live in - where pretty much anything anyone anywhere has ever said or done has the potential to become common public property at any time.) i was surprised by the polish people putting this clip up so far away from the use that it was intended -really just for the attention - with no explanation of the show it was made for - they (the polish people in general) used to be so hip and would have been unlikely candidates to do something like that before, but i guess everything is changing there like it is everywhere else. the only other thing that surprised me in the aftermath of the release of this little interview is that ANYONE would be even a little bit surprised that i would say such a thing, given the reality of mr. gs music. this makes me want to go practice about 10 times harder, because that suggests to me that i am not getting my own musical message across clearly enough - which to me, in every single way and intention is diametrically opposed to what Kenny G seems to be after.

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TL;DR

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hahahahaha

Thatā€™s hilarious

Holy moly, thatā€™s some of the most amazing piano playing Iā€™ve ever seen! Iā€™ll have to listen to this a few more times, at first I was just stunned by the technical skill that went into it. Goddamn, Iā€™m playing the piano myself, how the hell do you do that? That shitā€™s from another planet!

Also check out really any of Jimmy Herringā€™s bands, he co-headlined a tour with McLaughlin a few years ago and the shows were fire. Herring is a fusion master.

Full show: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWa9F4UBQQ&t

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